Last week I watched a TV program of a mother doing all she could to encourage her fourteen-year-old daughter to become, not just a model, but a super model. That was her vision for her daughter, and come hell or high water, that's what her daughter was going to become. It was tragic to watch because it was clear to everyone that that was not what the daughter wanted for her life. In the whole situation there was very little nurturing and freedom and at times it all resembled a boot camp, rather than a loving relationship between parent and child. It had more to do with the mother's failed vision of herself and her vicarious living through her daughter.
Any good parent knows how detrimental it is for a youthful spirit to be shaped and forced in to a destiny it feels it can't accept, especially in a context where the possibilities are infinite. If this is the case with a human parent, how much more so with the Divine?
And so with this in mind, let me share the following:
I struggle deeply with the concept of pre-determination in our relationship with the Divine. Many believe, especially in more fundamentalist circles, that God has a fixed vision for every person, community, nation and the world and that through Divine power and control persistently shapes it all in to that vision. The Jeremiah text 1:4-5 is often quoted as an example of this: "The Lord said to me, 'I chose you before I gave you life, and before you were born I selected you to be a prophet to the nations.' "
Of course a key example of this is also found in that of Jesus. He fulfilled all the prophecies that were made of him as if his life was completely planned out down to the minutest detail. His very death on the cross was seen to be inevitable because that's the way God had planned it. He had to die on a cross. That's the way it had to happen.
Under this kind of scenario Jesus becomes more of an automated robot, controlled by an unmoving and unbending Divine mind, than a free creative, decision-making human being. I sense this way of thinking goes back to the previous post where we looked at the distinction between God working on life, rather than in and through life. The first is dominant and authoritarian concerned little with freedom and creativity, while the second is participatory, nurturing, free and full of creativity and possibility. Process theology is far more akin to the second.
While we're here I just want to say a word about God's call on the lives of women and men.
Too often, I feel, we see this call as only being something God initiates and imposes on us. Our task is to discern and accept it. It kind of comes from the outside, as in the diagram, and we have to obediently submit to it.. What if the initiative is within us? What if call is something that rises up within, and in participation with us, the Divine encourages, nurtures and affirms it? What if we were to read the calls of Samuel, Jeremiah and the many other great Biblical characters in this way? What if we were to see God's call on the lives of modern day men and women in this way as well? It's an aspect and dimension which process theology also takes very seriously.
Let me end this post with the words of Bruce Epperly in his book, "Process Theology - A Guide for the Perplexed: "Although God's vision is intimate and global and embraces infinite possibilities, process theology suggests that God can be imagined as an intimate, creative and freedom supporting parent who says to her/his child, 'Surprise me, do something I hadn't fully expected so that together we can bring about something new and exciting.' " The Divine, for Process Theology, is always filled with profound encouragement when it comes to human initiative and creativity, rather than condemnation and unbending control.
In the next post we'll take a closer and more practical look at what has been shared here, and also how it was reflected in the life of Jesus.
Any good parent knows how detrimental it is for a youthful spirit to be shaped and forced in to a destiny it feels it can't accept, especially in a context where the possibilities are infinite. If this is the case with a human parent, how much more so with the Divine?
And so with this in mind, let me share the following:
I struggle deeply with the concept of pre-determination in our relationship with the Divine. Many believe, especially in more fundamentalist circles, that God has a fixed vision for every person, community, nation and the world and that through Divine power and control persistently shapes it all in to that vision. The Jeremiah text 1:4-5 is often quoted as an example of this: "The Lord said to me, 'I chose you before I gave you life, and before you were born I selected you to be a prophet to the nations.' "
Of course a key example of this is also found in that of Jesus. He fulfilled all the prophecies that were made of him as if his life was completely planned out down to the minutest detail. His very death on the cross was seen to be inevitable because that's the way God had planned it. He had to die on a cross. That's the way it had to happen.
Under this kind of scenario Jesus becomes more of an automated robot, controlled by an unmoving and unbending Divine mind, than a free creative, decision-making human being. I sense this way of thinking goes back to the previous post where we looked at the distinction between God working on life, rather than in and through life. The first is dominant and authoritarian concerned little with freedom and creativity, while the second is participatory, nurturing, free and full of creativity and possibility. Process theology is far more akin to the second.
While we're here I just want to say a word about God's call on the lives of women and men.
Too often, I feel, we see this call as only being something God initiates and imposes on us. Our task is to discern and accept it. It kind of comes from the outside, as in the diagram, and we have to obediently submit to it.. What if the initiative is within us? What if call is something that rises up within, and in participation with us, the Divine encourages, nurtures and affirms it? What if we were to read the calls of Samuel, Jeremiah and the many other great Biblical characters in this way? What if we were to see God's call on the lives of modern day men and women in this way as well? It's an aspect and dimension which process theology also takes very seriously.Let me end this post with the words of Bruce Epperly in his book, "Process Theology - A Guide for the Perplexed: "Although God's vision is intimate and global and embraces infinite possibilities, process theology suggests that God can be imagined as an intimate, creative and freedom supporting parent who says to her/his child, 'Surprise me, do something I hadn't fully expected so that together we can bring about something new and exciting.' " The Divine, for Process Theology, is always filled with profound encouragement when it comes to human initiative and creativity, rather than condemnation and unbending control.
In the next post we'll take a closer and more practical look at what has been shared here, and also how it was reflected in the life of Jesus.
my response - i can breathe again!!! i know this to be true, i have been scared to say it. the church i am with will not accept this
ReplyDeleteAnne, you've every right to believe in the way you do. Don't allow this right to be removed from you.
Delete"What if the initiative is within us?" That's a great question and insight. I like your thinking. Often people ask what God's will is for them. I ask, "What do you want to do? What excites and interests you? What will contribute to your own deification?" It is the beginning of an often interesting and challenging conversation. Too often we try to read the Divine Mind and then go do what it is we think God is thinking. That does not work too well in marriages or friendships let along our relationship with God. I think God does sometimes have something specific in mind for us but more often than not I think God trusts us to choose and then goes with us. It means we have to grow up and take responsibility for our lives.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this series. i look forward to the next post.
Peace,
Mike+
Mike, I love that question of yours, "What do you want to do?" It puts it back in to our court and as you say, we take responsibility for it. It also reminds me of how Jesus would not simply tell people what they needed. There's that lovely moment where he says, "What would you have me do for you?"
DeleteI have gotten SO tired of searching for this God, who has a purpose for my life, and I am the only one who does not know what that purpose is. I am so tired of searching and searching and finding ... nothing. No divine secret that is being opened up for me to look into. But I can now relax in the knowledge that I can screw up, and that together, the divine and I will be able to sort it out, and what's more, I won't be punished for not reading the signs properly. Also, there is SO much that I am, that I now see IS part of the 'divine plan' (for want of a better phrase),and therefore acceptable, and yes, "divine".
ReplyDeleteI resonate with the comment last time, when Christine said 'worship AT God'. For too long I have lived with the god outside. It is time for the God inside to be recognised, and for me to relax and live together, in a union.
Pauline.
Pauline, I think you are voicing the struggle of so many, many people. Appreciate your openness and honesty.
DeleteHi Don,
ReplyDeleteJust a few observations in my own life that seem to gel with what you say. When I was in my early twenties I felt a strong call the the ministry. I had a Std. 8 certificate and was not the brightest kid on the block. I tried to pass the LP exams but it was obvious to me I was not going to make it....ever. This left me feeling, for a very long time, as though I had been disobedient to God and not doing what He had planned for my life, I battled hard with that.
When I was at St Wins, Andrew Sieborger suggested I join The Order of Christian Service to test my calling. I did this and was assigned to a church in Bethlehem in the then Free State. At that church I was to become the pastor in charge of the 4 army barracks of about 4000 young men. I was scared out of my wits, but I knew this was why God had kept prodding me, not to be a minister (complete with dog collar) but to serve Him in this way.
I spent 2 years there and then was invited to be youth pastor at Newton Park in Port Elizabeth, witch I did for another 5 years, full time. The feeling that I had disappointed God has now gone.
Thank you for your experience,Len. We really value your sharing it.
Delete,Hi Don,
ReplyDeleteFor the past few years I have struggled with the Bible. I Because rightly or wrongly I no longer believe its truly Gods “gospel” truth but men saying what they want God to say I tend to throw the baby out with the bath water and disregard all of it / My question Don is this. If God is within us guiding, nurturing,loving and co-operating with us in this business of life a) is the Bible still relevant to our walk, or is it just a history book and b) Is God within us what I,ve been taught to call The Holy Spirit. Thanks for all your guidance. Katy.
Thanks Katy for your comment. As far as your first question is concerned, for me the Bible is deeply relevant. I'd prefer to sit with you and talk about this when we can. It's a good question. Your second question for me is "Yes" the Holy Spirit is within, but also transcends our individual selves.
DeleteA few years ago I struggled particularly to identify with a God who predetermines our destiny. It was such a relief to discover that God wants to co-create my life with me. I have had exactly the same thoughts as Anonymous - instead of spending our days trying to figure out if we are making good decisions or not, we are free to just MAKE our own decisions and try to gather awareness from our mistakes and successes. It has been a tremendously peaceful and freeing realisation. On the other hand, I find it quite scary - I always hoped that God would be as in the story of Jonah and send a whale to swallow me up and spit me out in the right direction - a kind of safety net if I make a "wrong turn". I suspect, however, that the God working in my life is quite happy for me to make u-turns and weird decisions because ultimately they are teaching me something and are contributing to that which makes me who I am. I find the difficulty is having the confidence to step out and make decisions without needing verification first that I am on the right track! But yet the sense of peace is always there and will hopefully overcome any uncertainty.
ReplyDelete(Don I have a question about pushing this idea to the extreme - we are talking about the freedom to take initiative from the God within us....but surely there is some kind of outer limit to this as we move towards very destructive decisions? At this point does God not say "NO this is not what I intended for your life?" What if one wants to create the opposite of "something new and exciting"?)
Thanks for your comment, Christine. Lots to think about. I'd like to leave your question, which is such a relevant one, for a moment. I think you may find that it will be dealt with in the next post.
DeleteThe God within! Yes, yes, yes!
ReplyDeleteA personal God, wanting a relationship - not blind obedience.
This is the God of Creation - the Giver of creativity and the One who prompts, prods and gently nudges. I love a God like this.
In the same way that I was delighted when my daughters surprised me, so God 'feels' about me.
It is this very idea that links us through art, music, dance and every other creative activity - the beauty of a sunset and the connection with a pet.
Thanks for this post - the engagement with these thoughts is stimulating.
"It is this very idea that links us through art, music, dance and every other creative activity - the beauty of a sunset and the connection with a pet." Really a lovely thought, Jenny. Thank you.
DeleteHi Don, Again just a few thoughts. If predestination is the way God has for us and the world, then I believe we must attribute good and bad things to God, So at the extreme we need to accept that events like the Holocaust where 6 million people were butchered and Stalin's purges where we believe 50 million of his country men lost their lives and many more of the ghastly things of history, are all part of God's plan. I really don't think so.
ReplyDeleteYou suggest the possibility of all the prophesies of the messiah being fulfilled in the life of Jesus as another possible example of predestination. In Spong's book "Jesus for the non Religious" he reverses the situation. The fulfilling of prophesy is the writers of the gospels attributing these "prophesies" to Jesus some 30 to 80 years after his death. For me this way of understanding the fulfilling of the prophesies is far more realistic. Thanks agian for your thoughts. Trevor.
I really like your thinking Trevor. The issue of the prophecies is a difficult one. I hold too to what you say, but the majority of Christians wouldn't, especially in the conservative ranks. Thanks for your courage.
Delete..".....What if the initiative is within us? What if call is something that rises up within, and in participation with us, the Divine encourages, nurtures and affirms it?"...i dont know..it seems this would then in essence make us co-creators with God and that just does'nt feel right to me personally..it would be as though the Kingdom of Heaven revolved around *ME* and the machnations of my Ego, with God simply going along with *MY* plans and expected to Bless them...i will need to ponder on this interesting concept further. ...Trevor makes a valid point concerning the doctrine of Predestination and its logical conclusion that,if true,God must necessarily then be the author of both the Good as well as the Bad that happens to us,however horrific it may be..Outrageous?..well,not really: The capacity of the Christian God to do 'bad things' to good people is best observed by the cruelty and brutality done and condoned by the Church throughout history to those who either refused to believe or believed contrary to prescribed tradition..all in the name of God.....
ReplyDeleteI wonder if it isn't a bit of both. Ours and God's initiative. I think we are co-creators with God. I don't see that as egotistical - God remains God and we remain God's creatures. But I love the concept of participatory love in the work of creation - something Mike put so eloquently. Thanks for your comment,
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